S3Drive - general

mix9311

Does max age larger better ？？

If you're not sure about the consequences of that setting then you can safely keep the defaults. (edited)

3yb joined the server. 6/4/2024 6:58 PM

Hi @Tom , thanks for creating this fantastic apps and services. I'm curios to know, if there is any company behind all this or if you are working as an freelancer. Also I would like to know which data is stored, especially if I have an account with my s3 logins and everything stored. I cannot find any Impressum on your page, which I thought is mandatory for doing business in the EU, so that's why I'm asking all this here

Hi @Currypaul, Since at the moment we're just selling software licenses we're running somewhat simplified setup. Company is registered under my name, you can find its details in the respective app store or when you make a purchase (on the invoice). We're in the process of registering a legal entity which will then formally own the software and sell the storage. We'll then update our website to include all of the required company details, as well as some other necessary details (e.g. GDPR Data Protection Officer etc.) Regarding data processing you can find our privacy policy here: https://s3drive.app/privacy Your S3 logins are stored on your device, we're not transferring them or synchronizing between devices. On most platforms they're encrypted using available built-in OS tools (e.g. Keychain). If you have any other questions regarding how we operate as a company and/or software, or have some specific questions regarding how data is stored / encrypted, I would be more than happy to answer. (edited)

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I would strongly like to urge that old s3drive versions do not expire. It's fine to have nag screens on every launch informing the user of the latest version, but had I waited any longer to use s3drive again, I would have been locked out of doing so because of a bug that was introduced not even 2 weeks ago

Tom

Hi @Currypaul, Since at the moment we're just selling software licenses we're running somewhat simplified setup. Company is registered under my name, you can find its details in the respective app store or when you make a purchase (on the invoice). We're in the process of registering a legal entity which will then formally own the software and sell the storage. We'll then update our website to include all of the required company details, as well as some other necessary details (e.g. GDPR Data Protection Officer etc.) Regarding data processing you can find our privacy policy here: https://s3drive.app/privacy Your S3 logins are stored on your device, we're not transferring them or synchronizing between devices. On most platforms they're encrypted using available built-in OS tools (e.g. Keychain). If you have any other questions regarding how we operate as a company and/or software, or have some specific questions regarding how data is stored / encrypted, I would be more than happy to answer. (edited)

Thanks for making that clear. I thin I know now what I need to know for data protection and private use. I just wanted to test the rclone features, especially the encryption. For this I need more than one account, as I need to set up the S3 service first and then the encryption service for that S3 server. So I definitely hit the limit of only one account. Is it possible to have an testaccount for a month? Another way could be to do pay via paypal. I really don't like to put creditcard data to every provider

Currypaul

Thanks for making that clear. I thin I know now what I need to know for data protection and private use. I just wanted to test the rclone features, especially the encryption. For this I need more than one account, as I need to set up the S3 service first and then the encryption service for that S3 server. So I definitely hit the limit of only one account. Is it possible to have an testaccount for a month? Another way could be to do pay via paypal. I really don't like to put creditcard data to every provider

Sure, please register an account and then click Join (that's required so the account gets transferred to billing system, but you can close it straightaway) on our pricing page: https://s3drive.app/pricing afterwards feel free to PM me, so I can enable test Ultimate on your account. Regarding payments, we're not handling your CC details directly through our system, but offload that to Stripe (they have relevant PCI certificate). What we get back is cryptographically signed payment confirmation. I still understand that not everyone feels comfortable giving out CC data. (edited)

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w0lfvn joined the server. 6/6/2024 8:05 AM

Any updated on how to connect koofr vault and s3 drive ?

2:45 PM

Or WebDAV with koofr vault

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Any updated on how to connect koofr vault and s3 drive ?

Please find this topic: https://discord.com/channels/1069654792902815845/1225178242873298994 Set up isn't entirely automated, but it's doable and proven to work. Please give it a go and if you're stuck we can assist. Thanks !

juanlucer joined the server. 6/6/2024 4:01 PM

Always saw different types of errors when uploading big files especially backblaze

Deleted User joined the server. 6/7/2024 2:12 AM

Hi, i have some questions regarding the app: 1. Given that i am using the free personal plan, then i upgrade and use ultimate plan (with the same s3 bucket), will it compatible? 2. With ultimate plan, can i use on multiple devices, each setup with one or more different buckets? Does it have any limit or restriction on this? Thanks.

w0lfvn

Hi, i have some questions regarding the app: 1. Given that i am using the free personal plan, then i upgrade and use ultimate plan (with the same s3 bucket), will it compatible? 2. With ultimate plan, can i use on multiple devices, each setup with one or more different buckets? Does it have any limit or restriction on this? Thanks.

Yes, Ultimate plan is suitable for connecting to external S3 / Rclone endpoints. You can use it freely with all your devices as long as you login using email/password credentials (the ones to which the Ultimate license is tired) first and then switch to S3 / Rclone endpoint of your choice.

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Hi, I have upgrade both my android and my IPhone to the ultimate life time plan. While the device is backing up the photos etc. I notice that only one upload is done at a time. Is there an option or a feature that enables multiple uploads? I love the app and it's potential.

Also background backup doesn't seem to be working right.

Bituhh

Hi, I have upgrade both my android and my IPhone to the ultimate life time plan. While the device is backing up the photos etc. I notice that only one upload is done at a time. Is there an option or a feature that enables multiple uploads? I love the app and it's potential.

Hi, Thank you for getting the Ultimate plan and supporting the project ! Concurrent file upload on mobile it's coming, the prototype is there, however we're still facing couple issues with the internals. We're somewhat dependent on these two issues https://github.com/talesbarreto/uri_content/issues/10#issuecomment-2155563121 or https://github.com/flutter/flutter/issues/119207#issuecomment-2123365554 They're likely to get resolved within couple next months if not sooner, in which case we would be able to push our improvements. Stay tuned. (edited)

Bituhh

Also background backup doesn't seem to be working right.

Speaking of background backup do you refer to iOS or Android? On iOS its abilities are somewhat limited, on Android in principle it shall work fine for any external S3 or Rclone.

iOS mainly. The issue is when I minimise the app. I expect it to be uploading on the background, what would be the limitations in this case?

Bituhh

iOS mainly. The issue is when I minimise the app. I expect it to be uploading on the background, what would be the limitations in this case?

The biggest limitation comes from the OS itself, which doesn't really trigger the background job unless device it's connected to charger, fully charged and left for quite a while, which usually happens overnight. Once it runs the background time is limited which proves difficult to upload bigger files or finish uploading multiple files in one go. There are some improvements we will be doing, (e.g. allow upload pause/resume), so gradually even with limited background time it could eventually finish. The other bit is that there are some iOS specific tricks that can be done in order to squeeze more background time from the system. We'll be exploring these.

I see thank you very much. Love the project. I am an nodejs developer and have touched flutter very briefly a while back. If you every need any support with anything feel free to reach out.

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matrizxc joined the server. 6/10/2024 1:19 PM

Time for my monthly check-in

The app is running smoothly on my Android, just waiting for the full background sync functionality + writable mounts. I found some minor typos/text issues:

know: the whole word seems superfluous
report: the plural—reports—seems more fitting, but that might just be opinion
Thanks !: the space seems unnecessary

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Ah, I get where that 'know' came from, a mixup of "we will notify you" and "we will let you know". Those brains of ours... fairly reliable but there's always the occasional hiccup

andy joined the server. 6/10/2024 4:18 PM

Unlawful Cactus

Time for my monthly check-in

The app is running smoothly on my Android, just waiting for the full background sync functionality + writable mounts. I found some minor typos/text issues:

know: the whole word seems superfluous
report: the plural—reports—seems more fitting, but that might just be opinion
Thanks !: the space seems unnecessary

Thanks for the heads up. We'll have it sorted in a next release. Speaking of exclamation mark, it's fun to learn, that I was actually using French notation, which isn't correct in English. I was 100% sure that this is the only right way... will take me a while to get used to the new notation! Speaking of these two features, writable mounts will likely happen first, since it's somewhat predictable task to implement resource wise. Can't give any close ETA though, possibly Q4. Background processing is always tricky to deal with, but it will come eventually. We'll need to improve resilience of multipart uploads and failure retries first, as this is crucial to get right in a resource constrained background environment. (edited)

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O wow, that's interesting! I don't remember that from my French classes as a teenager. Then again, I presume there's a lot I was supposed to learn in school that I didn't retain

There's no objective right way of course, only consensus and consistency. Maybe if the "Are you sure?" also had a space before the punctuation mark, I wouldn't have said anything

Cheers!

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Salt joined the server. 6/25/2024 6:28 PM

Hey, I'm new to all of this and had a few questions to S3Drive and rclone I am using Proton Drive as my main Cloud, but it always bugged me that on-the-go playback was never possible on larger files. After searching around, I found S3Drive. Since it said it has the possibility to play videos without downloading them, I decided to give it a go. Now I've managed to install S3Drive with rclone onto my machine and connected it with my Proton Drive. Afterwards I clicked on "start mounting" within the client and it created a new network folder in my Windows Explorer. This new drive seems to be able to play videos on-the-go since it buffers before it plays in my video player (please correct me if I'm wrong). Furthermore I am wondering if my files still are secure, private and encrypted by Proton,.. are they when I access them via the new folder? Thanks and sorry again, total noob here ;-; tl;dr Are the files I playback from the mounted drive (S3Drive mounted drive which gets the files through my connected rclone>ProtonDrive connection) stored locally/take up space on my machine after they finish playing? Are the files from the mounted drive still encryped/secure once I connected Proton Drive with rclone?

Salt

Hey, I'm new to all of this and had a few questions to S3Drive and rclone I am using Proton Drive as my main Cloud, but it always bugged me that on-the-go playback was never possible on larger files. After searching around, I found S3Drive. Since it said it has the possibility to play videos without downloading them, I decided to give it a go. Now I've managed to install S3Drive with rclone onto my machine and connected it with my Proton Drive. Afterwards I clicked on "start mounting" within the client and it created a new network folder in my Windows Explorer. This new drive seems to be able to play videos on-the-go since it buffers before it plays in my video player (please correct me if I'm wrong). Furthermore I am wondering if my files still are secure, private and encrypted by Proton,.. are they when I access them via the new folder? Thanks and sorry again, total noob here ;-; tl;dr Are the files I playback from the mounted drive (S3Drive mounted drive which gets the files through my connected rclone>ProtonDrive connection) stored locally/take up space on my machine after they finish playing? Are the files from the mounted drive still encryped/secure once I connected Proton Drive with rclone?

Hi @Salt and welcome to our little World. Streaming on your mounted drive is possible, because Rclone itself (we use it internally) supports content streaming from various back-ends and at the same time supports Proton encryption. Streaming itself doesn't pose security risks, on the contrary, it might actually be a safer option (vs downloading whole file), that is because with streaming file isn't decrypted and saved to disk as a whole. Instead, only sequential chunks are encrypted whereas used/watched ones get discarded. Streaming encrypted media isn't inherently different to streaming unencrypted media. There is just one additional step in the middle, that is decrypting flow of encrypted bytes in to something that video player can understand. In-app streaming (not through mount) of encrypted video in S3Drive is currently supported for S3 protocol, but not for Rclone back-end (Proton included). We will add support for in-app streaming, formally added feature request: https://s3drive.canny.io/feature-requests/p/implement-video-streaming-for-rclone-back-ends to track it.

Implement video streaming for Rclone back-ends | Feature Requests |...

Salt

Hey, I'm new to all of this and had a few questions to S3Drive and rclone I am using Proton Drive as my main Cloud, but it always bugged me that on-the-go playback was never possible on larger files. After searching around, I found S3Drive. Since it said it has the possibility to play videos without downloading them, I decided to give it a go. Now I've managed to install S3Drive with rclone onto my machine and connected it with my Proton Drive. Afterwards I clicked on "start mounting" within the client and it created a new network folder in my Windows Explorer. This new drive seems to be able to play videos on-the-go since it buffers before it plays in my video player (please correct me if I'm wrong). Furthermore I am wondering if my files still are secure, private and encrypted by Proton,.. are they when I access them via the new folder? Thanks and sorry again, total noob here ;-; tl;dr Are the files I playback from the mounted drive (S3Drive mounted drive which gets the files through my connected rclone>ProtonDrive connection) stored locally/take up space on my machine after they finish playing? Are the files from the mounted drive still encryped/secure once I connected Proton Drive with rclone?

Speaking of security and potential risk vectors that you should be aware of. Below actions are optional, but might further improve security. a) You may want to disable VFS mount cache in the S3Drive settings, so no file cache is written to disk. b) You may want to remove your username and password from the Rclone configuration after setting up Proton, please see my comment here: https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/18s211d/comment/kzfqub7/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button I haven't used that myself long enough, it may happen that at some point username and password will be required for the resetup if by any chance: client_refresh_token expires. In the future we will allow password striping in-app, so no manual step is required. c) In general you may monitor any undesired file access to config file, on Windows: C:\Users\<user>\AppData\Roaming\rclone\rclone.conf, as this is where sensitive data is stored. In the future we will support Rclone encrypted config: https://rclone.org/docs/#configuration-encryption (edited)

Tom

Hi @Salt and welcome to our little World. Streaming on your mounted drive is possible, because Rclone itself (we use it internally) supports content streaming from various back-ends and at the same time supports Proton encryption. Streaming itself doesn't pose security risks, on the contrary, it might actually be a safer option (vs downloading whole file), that is because with streaming file isn't decrypted and saved to disk as a whole. Instead, only sequential chunks are encrypted whereas used/watched ones get discarded. Streaming encrypted media isn't inherently different to streaming unencrypted media. There is just one additional step in the middle, that is decrypting flow of encrypted bytes in to something that video player can understand. In-app streaming (not through mount) of encrypted video in S3Drive is currently supported for S3 protocol, but not for Rclone back-end (Proton included). We will add support for in-app streaming, formally added feature request: https://s3drive.canny.io/feature-requests/p/implement-video-streaming-for-rclone-back-ends to track it.

Thank you so much! Very thorough answers : ) One quick follow-up question: I am confused as to where the S3Drive mount lies. Like, it is listed as an online fileserver on my explorer, but where on my network does it lie? And does it have to be instantiated every time i restart my machine?

Salt

Thank you so much! Very thorough answers : ) One quick follow-up question: I am confused as to where the S3Drive mount lies. Like, it is listed as an online fileserver on my explorer, but where on my network does it lie? And does it have to be instantiated every time i restart my machine?

Currently it does create network share with a local letter e.g. Z: and remote handle, eg. \\server\s3drive_proton. In 1.9.2 version which is available as pre-release (and will be released to general public in a few days): https://github.com/s3drive/windows-app/releases/tag/1.9.2 we've added an option to disable network (and made it default setting) mount in case you don't want to share it. In order to start mount after reboot, you can use combination of: "Launch app at startup" and then: "Mount drive after app starts". In the future we will add an option to start the app in tray: https://s3drive.canny.io/feature-requests/p/desktop-app-minimize-to-tray-dont-close so S3Drive windows doesn't pop up each time. (edited)

Salt

Thank you so much! Very thorough answers : ) One quick follow-up question: I am confused as to where the S3Drive mount lies. Like, it is listed as an online fileserver on my explorer, but where on my network does it lie? And does it have to be instantiated every time i restart my machine?

This is to let you know that in our main Windows release: https://github.com/s3drive/windows-app/releases you can toggle on/off network sharing. By default mount will end up in your File Explorer, but it won't be available on your network.

Tom

This is to let you know that in our main Windows release: https://github.com/s3drive/windows-app/releases you can toggle on/off network sharing. By default mount will end up in your File Explorer, but it won't be available on your network.

Oh man, thank you so so much! U're a hell of a dev for caring this much about your community ❣️

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Tom is the GOAT :)

Xenthys®

Tom is the GOAT :)

Well, thanks, my job is a hell lot easier if you guys provide such a great feedback. s3drive

corsair400r joined the server. 6/26/2024 2:17 PM

Managed storage plans

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Hi team, regarding this Managed storage plan (100GB, 500GB, 1TB, 5TB...) from the roadmap, are you planning to offer storage plans so we can pay you monthly, yearly and you will offer 1TB, 10TB, 30 TB, etc ? Am I understanding correctly?

corsair400r

Hi team, regarding this Managed storage plan (100GB, 500GB, 1TB, 5TB...) from the roadmap, are you planning to offer storage plans so we can pay you monthly, yearly and you will offer 1TB, 10TB, 30 TB, etc ? Am I understanding correctly?

That's right, it's all coming soon. The exact size distribution is to be confirmed, but we're likely provide stacking option, so you can combine plans. E.g. if you need 6TB, then 5TB + 1TB would be best option. What storage size would you suit you best?

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kefir

Hi, I'm busy backing up my files to a remote s3 storage, in essence migrating away from Google photos. But I'm curious about the roadmap and the "Photo management tools" on the roadmap for 2024. I often search my media files by face recognition, by geographic location, and by date/time. How will that work with the planned s3drive features? Will a shared database/index be stored on s3, or will an index be local to a device? Will I have to re-index/process all files before they can be searched?

I think I've missed that one. We haven't made much progress on that. In the ideal scenario we would keep local state which could be then synced with other devices, with some periodic backup to S3. There are some projects which utilize S3 as a database, but given that there isn't proper locking mechanism is pretty hard to avoid corruption in the long-run. We haven't researched feasible options just yet. If you aim to replace Google Photos, you might try Ente project, these guys focus on photo management and support E2E. I haven't tried that project myself, but I've heard lots of positives. We will eventually catch up, but honestly not sure if we can make much progress on that this year. (edited)

Tom

I think I've missed that one. We haven't made much progress on that. In the ideal scenario we would keep local state which could be then synced with other devices, with some periodic backup to S3. There are some projects which utilize S3 as a database, but given that there isn't proper locking mechanism is pretty hard to avoid corruption in the long-run. We haven't researched feasible options just yet. If you aim to replace Google Photos, you might try Ente project, these guys focus on photo management and support E2E. I haven't tried that project myself, but I've heard lots of positives. We will eventually catch up, but honestly not sure if we can make much progress on that this year. (edited)

Thanks for the suggestion, I'll look into it!

Chris Glaser joined the server. 6/27/2024 6:47 AM

Tom

That's right, it's all coming soon. The exact size distribution is to be confirmed, but we're likely provide stacking option, so you can combine plans. E.g. if you need 6TB, then 5TB + 1TB would be best option. What storage size would you suit you best?

Hi Tom, I am interested in at least 10 TB to start with and then maybe 10TB each year

Hello I'm trying to upload some video files to the S3 Drive. However, every time I try I get an error message in gobbledygook that I don't understand. Anyone have any ideas about what's going wrong? Chris

Chris Glaser

Hello I'm trying to upload some video files to the S3 Drive. However, every time I try I get an error message in gobbledygook that I don't understand. Anyone have any ideas about what's going wrong? Chris

Hi Chris, do you use external account (S3 / Rclone) or free 10GB that we provide?

It's the free 10GB one

Chris Glaser

It's the free 10GB one

Thanks for letting me know, I've replied here: https://discord.com/channels/1069654792902815845/1255779287752249395 BTW. Just learned what the gobbledygook is

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This is a limit on S3 Drive's app side right?

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This is using the WebApp

CubityFirst

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This is S3Drive setting which ATM isn't configurable. I will put that higher on the list, so user can tweak it.

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Thanks Tom

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Hi @Tom I just played around with S3Drive and my self-hosted minio server. Please find my observations: Testing this on a Linux system with the latest AppImage and the latest flatpak, both versions crash after a few seconds if you try to play a video inside the app. Encryption is turned on, for filenames, too. Using the same setup on Android with the latest version in the file explorer the mounts are still encrypted even if everything seems ok in the app.

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Hi @Tom I just played around with S3Drive and my self-hosted minio server. Please find my observations: Testing this on a Linux system with the latest AppImage and the latest flatpak, both versions crash after a few seconds if you try to play a video inside the app. Encryption is turned on, for filenames, too. Using the same setup on Android with the latest version in the file explorer the mounts are still encrypted even if everything seems ok in the app.

Thanks, we're going to check both issues. On Android, can you try turn off / turn on mounts and see whether that helps?

Tom

Thanks, we're going to check both issues. On Android, can you try turn off / turn on mounts and see whether that helps?

I tried both and even stopped the app and started again, this does not seem to help. Another interesting fact. If you play and delete and add new buckets the other mounts are not getting cleared ending up with names for which no buckets exist anymore

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Hi @Tom I just played around with S3Drive and my self-hosted minio server. Please find my observations: Testing this on a Linux system with the latest AppImage and the latest flatpak, both versions crash after a few seconds if you try to play a video inside the app. Encryption is turned on, for filenames, too. Using the same setup on Android with the latest version in the file explorer the mounts are still encrypted even if everything seems ok in the app.

On Linux we're waiting for Flutter team to release a fix: https://github.com/flutter/flutter/issues/150668 or if they won't include that fix soon, we'll need to downgrade our framework version: https://github.com/media-kit/media-kit/issues/852#issuecomment-2150949318

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I tried both and even stopped the app and started again, this does not seem to help. Another interesting fact. If you play and delete and add new buckets the other mounts are not getting cleared ending up with names for which no buckets exist anymore

Right, it seems there is some mount refresh issue, we're going to check that out.

Tom

On Linux we're waiting for Flutter team to release a fix: https://github.com/flutter/flutter/issues/150668 or if they won't include that fix soon, we'll need to downgrade our framework version: https://github.com/media-kit/media-kit/issues/852#issuecomment-2150949318

Thanks, good to know

Deleted User

I tried both and even stopped the app and started again, this does not seem to help. Another interesting fact. If you play and delete and add new buckets the other mounts are not getting cleared ending up with names for which no buckets exist anymore

What's your phone model and Android version if I can ask?

MalionRay joined the server. 6/28/2024 4:36 PM

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4:39 PM

I am trying to view the picture as encryption in rclone, but it is not available. Is the function is available?

4:41 PM

Can I see the video streaming and listening the audio file in the encryption rclone in IPhone or iPad?

MalionRay

I am trying to view the picture as encryption in rclone, but it is not available. Is the function is available?

Hi @MalionRay! These two features are coming, the only way to stream encrypted media so far is to use disk mount, which is available on desktop on Android. Related: https://discord.com/channels/1069654792902815845/1069654792902815848/1255272081613127742 Features: Thumbnails for Rclone: https://s3drive.canny.io/feature-requests/p/implement-thumbnails-for-rclone-back-ends File preview for Rclone: https://s3drive.canny.io/feature-requests/p/implement-file-preview-for-rclone-back-ends iOS mount: https://s3drive.app/roadmap2024

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Tom

Hi @MalionRay! These two features are coming, the only way to stream encrypted media so far is to use disk mount, which is available on desktop on Android. Related: https://discord.com/channels/1069654792902815845/1069654792902815848/1255272081613127742 Features: Thumbnails for Rclone: https://s3drive.canny.io/feature-requests/p/implement-thumbnails-for-rclone-back-ends File preview for Rclone: https://s3drive.canny.io/feature-requests/p/implement-file-preview-for-rclone-back-ends iOS mount: https://s3drive.app/roadmap2024

Thanks for your reply.

Deleted User joined the server. 7/1/2024 4:05 PM

Hello @Tom, first of all thank you for creating such an amazing app. This is what I've been looking for ages since I can't run Termux and a-like apps on my device. I would like to report a crash issue I've noticed while using S3Drive on my P7P running GrapheneOS (Android 14) which I've been able to locate and send you the attached crash logs to further inspect the issue. Would that be ok? Where can I share those details? I would also like to know if the background sync should in fact work or not. On my device I'm able to confirm the APP was still running since I get those crashes but the sync will never happen except I open the app manually. Thanks for your hard work! (edited)