S3Drive - general

There will be more billing options available (including crypto). I am not a huge fan of Stripe, but it's extremely convenient to start with. SEPA is possible, but someone on our end would have to deal with it manually or we would have to find some partner which gives us nice API.

I was also thinking about the file sharing expiration slider, and realised it will not fit all use cases if I want to create a URL that expires in 5 minutes or in an hour per example. Having a manual number input with a [(seconds /) minutes / hours / days] selection next to it would be the most granular approach even if it wouldn't look that good. Or 3 sliders, from 0 to 59 for minutes, 0 to 23 for hours, and 0 to 7 days. That would allow sharing for an hour and a half instead of having to put 90 minutes with the number input. Reset the previous sliders to 0 if you set the expiry to 7 days, which would also be the default expiry time like it is now. Having a more granular display could be behind the "Show advanced features" option we talked about, so that wouldn't clutter the interface for all users by default, but remain there if people want it.

11:49 AM

Now that I talked about it, I want raw pre-signed URLs and granular expiry sliders, ugh. How much would it cost to sponsor these features in priority?

Xenthys®

Yeah I understand no worries, it's not even about the subscription because it's once a year so that's alright, I just hate having to update my card everywhere when it expires. It would be annoying to support SEPA direct debit on your end though, but that would solve my issue :D

I know that every country have some specifics about payment methods. There are certain providers that you can use which are integrated with many banks, so in principle no SEPA transfer is required, but more like user logging in to their bank account confirming some online payment. I am from Poland and there are Przelewy24, PayU and Blik. I know SOFORT being popular in Germany. Do you use any of these in your country?

SEPA is convenient, but having dealt with them at my previous job, they're unfortunately a fraud territory I can't recommend. In France we just give an IBAN and swear it's ours, some providers request bank details, but fraudsters easily edit them anyway…

Xenthys®

I was also thinking about the file sharing expiration slider, and realised it will not fit all use cases if I want to create a URL that expires in 5 minutes or in an hour per example. Having a manual number input with a [(seconds /) minutes / hours / days] selection next to it would be the most granular approach even if it wouldn't look that good. Or 3 sliders, from 0 to 59 for minutes, 0 to 23 for hours, and 0 to 7 days. That would allow sharing for an hour and a half instead of having to put 90 minutes with the number input. Reset the previous sliders to 0 if you set the expiry to 7 days, which would also be the default expiry time like it is now. Having a more granular display could be behind the "Show advanced features" option we talked about, so that wouldn't clutter the interface for all users by default, but remain there if people want it.

... so basically you would like an easier way to provide relative time for a shorter ranges e.g. few minutes, 30 minutes, 1h 20 etc.? (edited)

I may or may not have edited one because I potentially wanted to pay for a non-profit's internet box subscription with my personal account, an the provider wanted the bank account to be in the name of the non-profit.

Tom

... so basically you would like an easier way to provide relative time for a shorter ranges e.g. few minutes, 30 minutes, 1h 20 etc.? (edited)

Absolutely, and more sliders is the easiest way I can think about to compound time that would please our human brains

11:57 AM

It might be the time to have a #technical channel, a #billing channel, and of course an #off-topic channel for everything else :D

11:58 AM

You could also throw some #support channel into the mix but it might overlap with the others and doesn't feel necessary yet (edited)

Xenthys®

It might be the time to have a #technical channel, a #billing channel, and of course an #off-topic channel for everything else :D

That's a good idea, I was hesitant to create these categories, since I periodically do the snapshot of the whole discussion that I embed on website as sort of free SEO / uncategorized FAQ.

Or just a forum channel with tags, then you can snapshot whichever post is of interest

I think more channels sounds great.

therefore only one forum is necessary since you can then filter by tag, which could be Development, Billing, Support… the sky's the limit

12:02 PM

As you prefer, it's your server :p

I am a Discord noob, I will simply follow your advice

Forums allow for multiple discussions in parallel, each of them being its own channel. It'd be nice for feature requests or specific topics I believe

12:05 PM

I'm a former moderator under NDA with Discord to setup servers like Square Enix before the E3 a few years ago, let me know if you have any question

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Xenthys®

I'm a former moderator under NDA with Discord to setup servers like Square Enix before the E3 a few years ago, let me know if you have any question

That's quite an achievement !

I'm proud to be a volunteer for projects and people I appreciate, but moderators are frequently seen as a necessary evil

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Xenthys®

I'm proud to be a volunteer for projects and people I appreciate, but moderators are frequently seen as a necessary evil

I guess at certain scale no moderation leads to human nature taking over the channel, herd behavior and all sorts of stuff which is researched by many PhDs.

Yeah, thanks to 4chan and unmoderated subreddits acting as research grounds haha

Some people are also unable to act properly within communities, and either get banned all the time or wait until "moderators are asleep" to be active

12:34 PM

The most annoying members are the ones who test the limits of the rules, being annoying without directly breaking them, complaining about being unfairly banned if you ever remove them… they have too much time on their hands, welcome to the Internet I guess ;-;

Xenthys®

The most annoying members are the ones who test the limits of the rules, being annoying without directly breaking them, complaining about being unfairly banned if you ever remove them… they have too much time on their hands, welcome to the Internet I guess ;-;

Reminds me of public service auditors, it's just they're pretty useful, as even though annoying to some, they're testing certain freedoms and the knowledge of law by those who enforce it.

Well, auditors are not doing it to be annoying, some members on the other hand…

1:27 PM

Also, law is written by people who work in that field, it's a real mess and they have to cover every case. Discord server rules written by some dude who had some free time don't really have that requirement, especially if you want members to actually read them ablobsweats

As long as the released features are stacked as per the FAQ, it's all good

2:50 PM

Question though, what happens if there is a gap between subscriptions? Can I pay for a year, stop paying, then resub when I feel like I need the new feature(s)?

2:52 PM

Or is it more like; keep all features accrued while continuous recurring payments, then those stacked features become permanent?

If you stop paying I believe your license is still valid for the features that were released until it "expired" to give you only security updates

3:28 PM

Otherwise it wouldn't be called perpetual, and renewing it for a year would certainly update the list of features you're allowed to access

3:31 PM

@Tom how about just tying the "free pro features" to user accounts created before the end of the beta period? people who care about them can create a free account and be sure to retain them, you will only have to monitor for account sharing on your end, no more fiddling with access keys and all that

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3:32 PM

I assume the account I created and bought the license on is what will enable pro features on the app in the future, as long as I have a profile logged into my managed account

3:35 PM

cool checkmark, way better value than Twitter Blue lol

+1, users may have to revoke old access keypairs and generate new ones for whatever reason

4:32 PM

A digitally signed text file that the app checks could work

zer0

Question though, what happens if there is a gap between subscriptions? Can I pay for a year, stop paying, then resub when I feel like I need the new feature(s)?

Yes, you can do that. The moment you resubscribe you will get current Pro features as part of your perpetual license. It's likely that there will be various incentives (e.g. continuity discount) to actually stay. Decision will always be yours though and whatever works for you better.

Xenthys®

@Tom how about just tying the "free pro features" to user accounts created before the end of the beta period? people who care about them can create a free account and be sure to retain them, you will only have to monitor for account sharing on your end, no more fiddling with access keys and all that

Good idea. That seem to be fair compromise (user gets their freebie), but need to formalise this through registration, so we can handle that without too much technical drama. I like that so far.

Xenthys®

cool checkmark, way better value than Twitter Blue lol

Thanks goes to Material iconset and to Twitter of course

zer0

A digitally signed text file that the app checks could work

Everytime I hear crypto, my heart beats faster

In theory this could work. Basically some private key hidden behind the API could generate a verifiable token which would be stored on the user's bucket (and likely device for little bit of redundancy) and could be then verified. The issue that I see so far is that not every user would want their bucket to be written to with some "licensing" file. (edited)

If I have 5 profiles and 3/5 are read-only buckets, where do you store the license? :D

Clearly solution isn't Web Scale https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2F-DItXtZs (edited)

Having an S3Drive user account is the easiest, if one profile is connected to a paid or beta account then you're good, if you touch my buckets be warned I'm gonna bite doggokek

Xenthys®

Having an S3Drive user account is the easiest, if one profile is connected to a paid or beta account then you're good, if you touch my buckets be warned I'm gonna bite doggokek

You can be proud of forcing us to ~~modify~~ improve our bucket validation method, so it's read only.

5:39 PM

I actually like it, less invasive, but still effective... and allows some weird use cases of bucket read-only access. Win for everyone.

For granularity you can "just" store a feature_flags int that computes to an array of pro features with bitwise operations, easy on your API and authentication gateway or whatever you do behind the scenes.

5:41 PM

Update the integer for all the active pro accounts every time you add a feature, done stickbug

Xenthys®

For granularity you can "just" store a feature_flags int that computes to an array of pro features with bitwise operations, easy on your API and authentication gateway or whatever you do behind the scenes.

Yep, would work, unless we have more features than bitwise on INT allows. Regardless, this is an implementation detail.

Tom

I actually like it, less invasive, but still effective... and allows some weird use cases of bucket read-only access. Win for everyone.

Update field type to bigint, done doggokek

5:46 PM

Erm, wrong message reply

Tom

I actually like it, less invasive, but still effective... and allows some weird use cases of bucket read-only access. Win for everyone.

Thank you for that, note that writing without explicit user consent could have legal repercussions depending on the buckets and their contents, it's a big no-no for S3 clients even though I understand your position

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Hi @shaileshchaudhary, welcome to the channel ! (edited)

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Hi @klemer1001, thank you for joining and welcome to S3Drive

community !

Xenthys®

Now that I talked about it, I want raw pre-signed URLs and granular expiry sliders, ugh. How much would it cost to sponsor these features in priority?

I think I've missed that comment, we've built the presigned URL option for you as requested and released that 13th of April, please find this announcement: https://discord.com/channels/1069654792902815845/1069654792902815848/1095920742182424646 We'll be able to get to Sliders eventually, I've set up the roadmap item just now: https://s3drive.canny.io/feature-requests/p/easier-way-to-set-up-relative-expiry-time-for-shared-links but we're slammed with other priority work. There are lots of stuff to finish before the holiday time where we'll relax for a short while. We're very much open for sponsorships (thanks !), on the other hand given the typical development time costs I don't believe I am able to provide reasonable offer for a single personal contributor. We're getting various feedback and improvements requests, some of them we're addressing on the fly, some of them will have to wait according to our priority list, some of them are not part of our general vision and unless there is shared interest, we'll be handling these via Enterprise package (e.g. https://github.com/s3drive/app/issues/23#issuecomment-1528861909). (edited)

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Tom

I think I've missed that comment, we've built the presigned URL option for you as requested and released that 13th of April, please find this announcement: https://discord.com/channels/1069654792902815845/1069654792902815848/1095920742182424646 We'll be able to get to Sliders eventually, I've set up the roadmap item just now: https://s3drive.canny.io/feature-requests/p/easier-way-to-set-up-relative-expiry-time-for-shared-links but we're slammed with other priority work. There are lots of stuff to finish before the holiday time where we'll relax for a short while. We're very much open for sponsorships (thanks !), on the other hand given the typical development time costs I don't believe I am able to provide reasonable offer for a single personal contributor. We're getting various feedback and improvements requests, some of them we're addressing on the fly, some of them will have to wait according to our priority list, some of them are not part of our general vision and unless there is shared interest, we'll be handling these via Enterprise package (e.g. https://github.com/s3drive/app/issues/23#issuecomment-1528861909). (edited)

Oh my, you're right, I didn't check since it wasn't mentioned but I can indeed see it! The date picker is just perfect on phone as well so no need for sliders there, last time I checked it was impossible to edit the expiry at all.

Xenthys®

Oh my, you're right, I didn't check since it wasn't mentioned but I can indeed see it! The date picker is just perfect on phone as well so no need for sliders there, last time I checked it was impossible to edit the expiry at all.

Oh yeah, that's probably my Discord skills. Great to hear that you like this change.

Tom

Oh yeah, that's probably my Discord skills. Great to hear that you like this change.

I probably just missed it, no worries, thanks for letting me know! Unrelated, is it planned to get an official S3Drive logo? I don't know if the folder icon is yours or not, and it could fit any file storage service so it probably lacks a bit of personnality?

2:26 PM

I created the #support where people can post about topical matters, you can see the tags with little emojis which will allow everyone to filter posts once they start to flow in. I also added a "Developer Response" tag you can add to posts if you answer, allowing people to know where you've intervened, that's a common thing on Reddit and I loved the concept but let me know if you'd rather not have that.

2:28 PM

I can also add a "Confirmed" tag for bug reports per example, so you can say whether it's a confirmed bug or not, filtering with those two tags could allow people to immediately see a list of known bugs. EDIT: just added it, costs nothing and can be adapted on the fly if we ever need to change it (edited)

Xenthys®

I probably just missed it, no worries, thanks for letting me know! Unrelated, is it planned to get an official S3Drive logo? I don't know if the folder icon is yours or not, and it could fit any file storage service so it probably lacks a bit of personnality?

Definitely, honestly the whole app is missing some nicer UI, branding and logo as you say. We're aware of this and current icon is pretty poor. We weren't making change to UI, being focused on the technology and functionality. I think it all comes down if split for S3Drive is required. We don't really know shall we keep the self-hosted and managed together as one product, one app. We might keep S3Drive as it is, focusing on S3 and have separate managed "Drive" product, this would affect branding, we don't know exactly at this stage what path this all will take. Regardless, S3Drive as it is will receive better logo and better icon

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Cool, I like the profile system and believe it can remain a single app, and people who subscribe to even the lowest drive tier can have pro features imo

Xenthys®

Cool, I like the profile system and believe it can remain a single app, and people who subscribe to even the lowest drive tier can have pro features imo

One app is slightly more complex technically, but definite less headache when managing updates, release, pipelines etc. Our goal is to rely on S3 protocol, so having one app actually helps us to stick to this goal and not diverge with some proprietary protocol. The only thing we need to think through is the clear marketing as what S3Drive is, as we're targeting different userbases, each of them having slightly different needs.

2:37 PM

I will get back on the Discord updates later, as I need to leave. Thanks for that ! (edited)

Xenthys®

I created the #support where people can post about topical matters, you can see the tags with little emojis which will allow everyone to filter posts once they start to flow in. I also added a "Developer Response" tag you can add to posts if you answer, allowing people to know where you've intervened, that's a common thing on Reddit and I loved the concept but let me know if you'd rather not have that.

Thanks for that. I like it all and it's pretty neat. I think it's a great start for more organized workflow. (edited)

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Hi @kuwaha7913 and welcome to our little S3 world

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9:10 AM

Hey, I used the mobile application for Android. After successful login it shows this error and does not list the objects. MinioError: ListObjectsV2 search parameter maxKeys not implemented (edited)

9:10 AM

I am using Cloudflare's R2 S3 Compatible Object Storage.

It looks like the app identifies Cloudflare R2 as a MinIO API, can you create a Bug Report post in #support please?

11:05 AM

If I'm right, that would mean S3Drive gets confused about which options are available and which aren't

Xenthys®

It looks like the app identifies Cloudflare R2 as a MinIO API, can you create a Bug Report post in #support please?

Sure thing.

Thanks!

@everyone We've released new

S3Drive version (1.2.5) on Web which uses improved rendering engine. Once it loads once all subsequent loads shall be much quicker and the UI shall be way more responsive. I would be glad to hear if you find it an improvement

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Hi @kadircanersahin, welcome to our channel

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Hello, welcome!

I am trying out S3drive on my iphone. I want to connect to an AWS bucket that I have created in my existing AWS account. (there are multiple buckets there). I can't figure out what I am suppose to enter under 's3-endpoint', and I tried everything. Can someone explain what I need to set up on AWS S3 and what I have to enter in the s3drive app under 's3-endpoint'?

it should be given to you by AWS, but pretty much the region URL where the bucket is located

4:21 AM

it's formatted as s3.<region>.amazonaws.com

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GrahamC joined the server. 5/22/2023 2:56 PM

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Hi @GrahamC, welcome

Has anyone managed to use the 'Upload folder's menu option ? I select the folder, select USE THIS FOLDER and ALLOW access, nothing then appears to happen. I don't think it is an Android file permission issue as uploads of the individual files in the folder work OK.

If I select the Documents folder to upload instead of a sub folder it does upload just one file - but it is a file from the images folder not from the Documents folder.

Selecting the camera images folder gives an exception.

The Socket exception only happens on Cloud flare R2. But for other providers when I select upload the Documents folder it actually uploads the contents of Images/Documents. So it does look like a file permissions issue.

Yes the app settings are 'allow access to media only'. I think this can only be extended to all files if the app configuration requests it.

GrahamC

Yes the app settings are 'allow access to media only'. I think this can only be extended to all files if the app configuration requests it.

Thanks for reporting this issue. We're trying to find a way to resolve permissions issues for folder upload. In principle access to files inside of the selected directory shouldn't require: "All files permission", however we're facing some limitations of the file related library that we use and we're working to overcome these problems. Yes, we could use, "All files permission", to get seamless access to files, but it's pretty powerful permission to grant and it's also hard to justify use of this permission when releasing app on Google Play.

GrahamC

Yes the app settings are 'allow access to media only'. I think this can only be extended to all files if the app configuration requests it.

We will be deploying some improvements to folder upload permissions later today / tomorrow (Release 1.2.10). It will be an improvement over what we have currently, but there are still couple underlying problems we are not able to easily address. Most importantly permissions shall work just fine for all types of files and instead of requesting ALL FILES permission we will be using SAF (https://developer.android.com/guide/topics/providers/document-provider) which is pretty much the only supported/approved of managing files for Android 11+ (edited)

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GrahamC

Yes the app settings are 'allow access to media only'. I think this can only be extended to all files if the app configuration requests it.

This was successfully deployed. Unfortunately we're not supporting sub-folders (they will be skipped in the process), but we're working on improving that. I was wondering if this resolves your issue at least partially?