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Hi people! I am not sure where I should ask this so sorry if I am mistaken but do you have plans to introduce a CLI app?
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Hi, you can ask here no worries, I have however don't have the answer so you'll have to wait for @Tom to see it
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Hi people! I am not sure where I should ask this so sorry if I am mistaken but do you have plans to introduce a CLI app?
Hi there ! It's a matter of time. We plan to modify the current executable, so user can pass file path as an argument to upload: https://s3drive.canny.io/feature-requests/p/accept-file-as-path-argument This will likely grow over time with more and more options. What exactly would you like to achieve with a CLI? Bear in mind that since we're compatible with Rclone crypt you can achieve lots with an Rclone CLI: https://docs.s3drive.app/advanced/#setup-with-rclone
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gabrielebonini99 10/15/2023 4:03 PM
Hello, is S3Drive going to replace PhotoSync for S3?
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Hello, is S3Drive going to replace PhotoSync for S3?
Hi, eventually yes, but no rush. We're solely focused on S3Drive for the past year or so. There are still couple features missing in S3Drive in order to reliably replace PhotoSync. Background upload features are still experimental in S3Drive and there is no function to check already uploaded assets. It will take us some time to deliver these features, before then PhotoSync can still be used. It has certain unique strenghts on Anrdroid that S3Drive doesn't yet. (edited)
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gabrielebonini99 10/15/2023 9:53 PM
Ok, thanks for the reply. Will there be the possibility to zoom photos on S3Drive?
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A feature request: faceID … currently, the app is not protected and the password is in plain text
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A feature request: faceID … currently, the app is not protected and the password is in plain text
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Ok, thanks for the reply. Will there be the possibility to zoom photos on S3Drive?
Do you mean to zoom them during preview? If so, certainly we will have it added !
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Just checking in, if I buy the subscription for S3Drive
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and then it expires
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Due to the fallback license, I'll be able to continue to use two way sync?
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And when it says Self-hosted, does that just include the S3-compatible storage? Or is there a server component for S3Drive that I'm missing?
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Due to the fallback license, I'll be able to continue to use two way sync?
That's correct, once your subscription expires you will still be able to use all functions and features that were available at the moment that you've bought yearly subscription. You will get bugfixes and security updates and certain improvements, but some new paid functions (that were released after) may not be available to you until you buy a new license. (edited)
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And when it says Self-hosted, does that just include the S3-compatible storage? Or is there a server component for S3Drive that I'm missing?
In this case we're providing just the software / clients. It's at your discretion to self-host or alternatively buy S3 from someone (it means that we're not providing S3 storage). I think we're going to change this slogan, as it causes some confusion. (edited)
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Yeah, it reads strangely.
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Hi @SoftSoft, welcome to S3Drive channel !
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i already upgraded to pro, but after new version update I can't access all profiles, need help
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i already upgraded to pro, but after new version update I can't access all profiles, need help
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Ok, thanks for the reply. Will there be the possibility to zoom photos on S3Drive?
Hi, this is to let you know that zooming photos will be included in a next release early next week !
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gabrielebonini99 10/22/2023 6:07 PM
Ok, thank you 🙂
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Good Morning everyone, perhaps it is just me, but I am currently not 100% sure about the licensing options. I would like to use S3drive with my own Minio storage and don't want to use the S3drive storage. If I would buy the lifetime license I would need to sign in and therefore would automaticly have the S3drive storage mounted right? How would the setup look like in my case without having my apps signed in? I want to use this strictly with my storage and it currently looks that the windows app offers all features without signing in?
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Good morning, If you buy the lifetime license you'll be able to use all of the current and future features permanently (we'll be constantly updating this list - https://docs.s3drive.app/plans). Our current packages are designed to be used with 3rd party S3 endpoints, MinIO included. We're evolving and we may adjust our offer, licensing options or pricing in the future, but this wouldn't apply retroactively. That is, if you buy the Lifetime today, you simply keep these terms as it is unchanged. The main reason that you need to login to S3Drive using the registered e-mail/password is so that we can fetch the license and enable the Pro/Ultimate features in your app. That's true, that we currently include ~10GB testing account, it's optional though and included even in the free account. In the future we may sell the managed accounts as per our Roadmap: https://s3drive.canny.io/feature-requests/p/managed-plans-100gb-500gb-2tb however this something we still work on and won't happen this year. (edited)
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Good Morning everyone, perhaps it is just me, but I am currently not 100% sure about the licensing options. I would like to use S3drive with my own Minio storage and don't want to use the S3drive storage. If I would buy the lifetime license I would need to sign in and therefore would automaticly have the S3drive storage mounted right? How would the setup look like in my case without having my apps signed in? I want to use this strictly with my storage and it currently looks that the windows app offers all features without signing in?
Speaking of some features being available on Windows. What features you refer to specifically? It's true that some of them (e.g. two-way sync) are available for free currently, this is because they're during Beta phase, and as per our: https://s3drive.app/pricing we say that "Basic" account which is free gets the: "Beta features preview". ... also if you use our managed 10GB account (currently only for testing) then all of the features are naturally available (but only on this account - you can connect to your MinIO or other S3 endpoint by using the "Switch profile" option in the Settings menu or top right profiles icon). This actually allows you to play with the app little bit, before you decide to connect to your S3 endpoint. We'll make it all more clear (especially with the 10GB testing account), I can fully understand your confusion. (edited)
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Good Morning everyone, perhaps it is just me, but I am currently not 100% sure about the licensing options. I would like to use S3drive with my own Minio storage and don't want to use the S3drive storage. If I would buy the lifetime license I would need to sign in and therefore would automaticly have the S3drive storage mounted right? How would the setup look like in my case without having my apps signed in? I want to use this strictly with my storage and it currently looks that the windows app offers all features without signing in?
How would the setup look like in my case without having my apps signed in? I want to use this strictly with my storage and it currently looks that the windows app offers all features without signing in?
At the moment you need to be signed with your login/e-mail password, so we can fetch the license, but you can select any other S3 endpoint and use it, be it MinIO, AWS, Backblaze or anything. In the future we may actually introduce concept of an "offline" license, so logging to the S3Drive client with your e-mail/password wouldn't be necessary, but this doesn't come without drawbacks as well. Some anti-abuse mechanisms would have to be implemented, so we don't end up like Windows's FCKGW-RHQQ2... license. This would either mean that you would have to generate some activation key on our website from time to time and paste it to the app... or once you activate features in your app with some activation key you would have to deactivate it before you could use it on some other Window's client.
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Thanks @Tom got it. And I double posted the question on Discord as there was no confirmation message after I used the form on the website, so I was not sure that it has been sent.
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I don't mind to be logged in with the client for the license 🙂
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Thanks @Tom got it. And I double posted the question on Discord as there was no confirmation message after I used the form on the website, so I was not sure that it has been sent.
In principle that's how multiple profiles look like.
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Thanks @Tom got it. And I double posted the question on Discord as there was no confirmation message after I used the form on the website, so I was not sure that it has been sent.
Thanks for letting me know about no confirmation message. We've "offloaded" that form to Formcarry and it seems there was some change on their end. We'll have it fixed. At least the message went through ! 🙂 (edited)
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Requiring S3Drive to be online doesn't seem weird to me, I don't believe many people would use such an application offline, or rather in air-gaped environments. Allowing licensing servers in firewalls is quite common if you're on a restricted network, but even that should represent a minority. For mobile devices, they tend to be on BYOD networks or straight out over 4G/5G connections without any filtering. If you were offering a design software then sure, but for something that is connected by design it feels like a waste of time to me.
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Hi there ! 👋 (edited)
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Where can I find sync documentation? What is the difference between those options:
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Where can I find sync documentation? What is the difference between those options:
Hi, unfortunately there is no documentation yet as the development on this is still going. Please find excerpt from the code: tocloud, // Upload to remote, delete remotely if file was deleted locally tocloud_keepdeleted, // Won't remove file remotely if it was deleted locally tocloud_compat, // If file is removed remotely, local won't know that, it will be reuploaded on a next ocassion In principle: "To remote" will upload file to remote and delete it remotely if it was deleted locally. If file is deleted remotely it won't get re-uploaded again. "To remote (don't delete remotely)" - the same as "To remote", except it will keep file on the remote even if it was deleted locally. The above 2 options require bucket versioning support. The "compatibility mode" doesn't require versioning API, however that makes it not aware of any file changes in between, so it's simply blind one way copy instead of sync. I hope that helps little bit. We'll build documentation once we sort couple challenges related to E2E encryption with syncing, as depending how we manage to solve these problems it may influence the available options.
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What's the ETA for syncing to/from android and background service for android? (edited)
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and do we get transfer stats somewhere? I just set the tool to upload ~2k files (20GB total) and I'm curious whether this will be done in a few minutes, or in a few days.
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What's the ETA for syncing to/from android and background service for android? (edited)
There are significant improvements to Android background mode awaiting release (1.6.0) which will be deployed within a ~week. This will be part of: "Media backup" functionality. We will then be releasing the background mode on generic files/folders on Android combined with syncing modes, but there is no ETA just yet. We may release an MVP end of this year. There are no stats or aggregated info just yet... so far there is only "Transfers" tab with per file details, but nothing summarized as such. You may be able to get the required information from the Logs tab where you may find date and time when operations started and finished. (edited)
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Do you have debug logging? Now the tool is stuck processing single 86mb file and everything else is on waiting. The logs in GUI only say this:
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Do you have debug logging? Now the tool is stuck processing single 86mb file and everything else is on waiting. The logs in GUI only say this:
Is that one-way sync output? What platform? We know that sometimes upload queue gets stuck and timeout mechanism doesn't always reliably retry the process, but we haven't yet got to this.
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One way, Windows 10 to Backblaze.
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borrk
One way, Windows 10 to Backblaze.
Is this issue consistent on your end? In other words if you restart the app does it fail in a same way? Anyway, I am going to prioritise this issue internally.
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Is this issue consistent on your end? In other words if you restart the app does it fail in a same way? Anyway, I am going to prioritise this issue internally.
Sadly, it is. I already restarted a few times and it's same story (though I think on different files).
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Hi there, question about usage. I'm using a tester account and I'm a bit confused. What is managed login? and how does it relate to the method of login where i connect with my access key and s3 endpoint etc? I guess it's showing up as two different profiles? Will a user be able to save a s3 bucket to a username and pw?
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Hi, managed user accounts are currently used for licensing and managed storage beta. They aren't mandatory and cannot be used to sync your app settings.
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Can I still have a user and Pw login which is connected to my s3 buckets without having to enter access keys to access them everytime?
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Can I still have a user and Pw login which is connected to my s3 buckets without having to enter access keys to access them everytime?
If I understand you correctly, you're looking for a way to store and synchronize your S3 API credentials. It's pretty sensitive task and it's a job for a password manager, e.g. Bitwarden that we already support: https://s3drive.canny.io/feature-requests/p/password-autofill-support-for-bitwarden
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If I understand you correctly, you're looking for a way to store and synchronize your S3 API credentials. It's pretty sensitive task and it's a job for a password manager, e.g. Bitwarden that we already support: https://s3drive.canny.io/feature-requests/p/password-autofill-support-for-bitwarden
Thanks Tom, I'll check that out. My use case is that Im looking to give s3 bucket access to several members of a startup team some of whom may not be technical at all. I would like them to be able to login easily with their own permissioned access key and be able to access some files periodically while in the field. I thought s3drive could be that interface for them since it is available on all platforms and mobile as well. I guess I am confused about the current intended use case scenario for the app, where the login vs access key login are completely different profiles. If you could, please help me understand
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Thanks Tom, I'll check that out. My use case is that Im looking to give s3 bucket access to several members of a startup team some of whom may not be technical at all. I would like them to be able to login easily with their own permissioned access key and be able to access some files periodically while in the field. I thought s3drive could be that interface for them since it is available on all platforms and mobile as well. I guess I am confused about the current intended use case scenario for the app, where the login vs access key login are completely different profiles. If you could, please help me understand
I know it may be little confusing, but that's because we support multiple platforms, use-cases and user bases. In principle, S3Drive connects directly to S3 endpoint (we call it profile) which is identified and authorized by the couple details (Key ID, secret, gateway, bucket name, region etc.). These details are something we don't manage, can't access nor store on our servers. Our software makes a connection to these details and it's up to the user to configure S3Drive so it knows where to connect. To the best extent we make some guesses (e.g. we allow user to select existing buckets) or we auto-detect region, but still at the very minimum Key ID, secret and S3 provider name/gateway would be required. Some of the app features are behind the paywall (that's how we can support development of S3Drive). On mobile you can buy such features through in-app purchase. Since there is no single unified payment mechanism for all platforms we've built one, so you can buy "all-platforms" package on our website. These are assigned to an e-mail/password account that we manage which is used by S3Drive to determine if you can use paid features (in the future account may be used by couple other features, e.g. online sync between devices, but let's not complicate it for now). Additionally when you login using e-mail/password managed by us, you can access test 10GB+ account to test the app's functionality. Behind the scenes it's S3 credentials, but we generate and supply them for you based on your e-mail/password. In the future we will be providing managed accounts (e.g. 100GB, 500GB, 2TB etc.), which will be expansion of our current model. We aim to remain 100% S3 compatible and allow user to connect to external S3 endpoint (they may buy it from some S3 cloud/provider or they even might host S3 on their own using MinIO, SeaweedFS, Garage, OpenStack Swift, Ceph etc.) I hope that helps you to understand how it works and why we support different account types. ... (edited)
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Thanks Tom, I'll check that out. My use case is that Im looking to give s3 bucket access to several members of a startup team some of whom may not be technical at all. I would like them to be able to login easily with their own permissioned access key and be able to access some files periodically while in the field. I thought s3drive could be that interface for them since it is available on all platforms and mobile as well. I guess I am confused about the current intended use case scenario for the app, where the login vs access key login are completely different profiles. If you could, please help me understand
... Since you want your coworkers securely login to the S3 endpoint there must be a way of passing the S3 details to the app. This can be an external mechanism, e.g. through password manager or app built-in mechanism (e.g. Single sign-on (SSO)), where user could provide their login/password (managed by some auth provider - where you can be an admin for instance). S3Drive would then contact that auth provider, authorize user and then request S3 credentials. I am happy to help you out on your use case. Do you mind sharing some info whether you have some auth system that's possible to connect to ... and where you get the S3 from? Does each user share bucket (and files as a result) with the other user? Is some private space/bucket required which shouldn't be by default accessible to other users? If you're not comfortable providing these details here, feel free to DM me. (edited)
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... Since you want your coworkers securely login to the S3 endpoint there must be a way of passing the S3 details to the app. This can be an external mechanism, e.g. through password manager or app built-in mechanism (e.g. Single sign-on (SSO)), where user could provide their login/password (managed by some auth provider - where you can be an admin for instance). S3Drive would then contact that auth provider, authorize user and then request S3 credentials. I am happy to help you out on your use case. Do you mind sharing some info whether you have some auth system that's possible to connect to ... and where you get the S3 from? Does each user share bucket (and files as a result) with the other user? Is some private space/bucket required which shouldn't be by default accessible to other users? If you're not comfortable providing these details here, feel free to DM me. (edited)
Appreciate you taking the time! I am setting this up from scratch so there is no current system. Open to any solutions. The s3 will be wasabi or back blaze b2 with cloudflare to start with. Some bucket files will be shared with multiple users, some with only specific users and there is different levels of permission so some files are not accessible by default
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It is mostly me setting up the buckets and file systems and making them available to be accessed for reference by the users. They will not usually be uploading or sharing but it could happen
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Appreciate you taking the time! I am setting this up from scratch so there is no current system. Open to any solutions. The s3 will be wasabi or back blaze b2 with cloudflare to start with. Some bucket files will be shared with multiple users, some with only specific users and there is different levels of permission so some files are not accessible by default
To not overcomplicate things from start, you could configure buckets, user API credentials and then restrict certain actions / locations using IAM (Wasabi does seem to support it) or simple restrictions that Backblaze offers - https://www.backblaze.com/docs/cloud-storage-application-keys (e.g. namePrefix) ... and then generate a JSON file, pass it to the user which could load it in-app using import feature. Not all details are required below, but this is to give you an idea that e.g. client-side encryption is also configurable. E.g. JSON: [ { "bucketName": "acme-internal-files", "keyId": "EVLJ2eXJukWUR9U17dyQqq6NPTi9mUu6scqpLCau", "applicationKey": "X9EiaepygvDK2S0fmMmFayehHoETDOphNP1r96PI", "endpoint": "https://s3.us-west-004.backblazeb2.com", "region": "us-west-004", "host": "s3.us-west-004.backblazeb2.com", "port": 443, "useSSL": true, "encryptionKey": "cG90YXRv", "rclonePlaintextKey": true, "filepathEncryptionEnabled": true, "rcloneDerivedKey": [ 116, 85, 199, 26, 177, 124, 134, 91, 132, ... ] } ] This may be a good start. We plan to implement QR code login, but the QR size limitation makes QR not a solution for all use cases. There are other means, e.g. QR code could transfer the "place holder ID" which would be then used to fetch the required details, but then again this setup would require more moving parts. We're very much open on this. (edited)
App keys control access to accounts and buckets.
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Appreciate you taking the time! I am setting this up from scratch so there is no current system. Open to any solutions. The s3 will be wasabi or back blaze b2 with cloudflare to start with. Some bucket files will be shared with multiple users, some with only specific users and there is different levels of permission so some files are not accessible by default
We've technical capabilities to integrate with any provider and we've built direct integration with Backblaze management API, however this is something we can currently offer through Enterprise package only: https://s3drive.app/pricing as it's not the off-the-shelf product which end user can easily install and then configure with couple clicks. (edited)
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Sadly, it is. I already restarted a few times and it's same story (though I think on different files).
We've dug down into this part of code and spotted couple issues and inefficiencies, expect improvements in this area in a next release within a ~week. In the meantime if you face any other challenges please let me know. Thanks !
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To not overcomplicate things from start, you could configure buckets, user API credentials and then restrict certain actions / locations using IAM (Wasabi does seem to support it) or simple restrictions that Backblaze offers - https://www.backblaze.com/docs/cloud-storage-application-keys (e.g. namePrefix) ... and then generate a JSON file, pass it to the user which could load it in-app using import feature. Not all details are required below, but this is to give you an idea that e.g. client-side encryption is also configurable. E.g. JSON: [ { "bucketName": "acme-internal-files", "keyId": "EVLJ2eXJukWUR9U17dyQqq6NPTi9mUu6scqpLCau", "applicationKey": "X9EiaepygvDK2S0fmMmFayehHoETDOphNP1r96PI", "endpoint": "https://s3.us-west-004.backblazeb2.com", "region": "us-west-004", "host": "s3.us-west-004.backblazeb2.com", "port": 443, "useSSL": true, "encryptionKey": "cG90YXRv", "rclonePlaintextKey": true, "filepathEncryptionEnabled": true, "rcloneDerivedKey": [ 116, 85, 199, 26, 177, 124, 134, 91, 132, ... ] } ] This may be a good start. We plan to implement QR code login, but the QR size limitation makes QR not a solution for all use cases. There are other means, e.g. QR code could transfer the "place holder ID" which would be then used to fetch the required details, but then again this setup would require more moving parts. We're very much open on this. (edited)
Thanks Tom, I tested the json solution and it seem to be a simple solution. I think we will go ahead with this and see how it works
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Thanks Tom, I tested the json solution and it seem to be a simple solution. I think we will go ahead with this and see how it works
Cool, if you have some thoughts about that I am more than happy to hear it out. In principle import functionality was designed to supplement current export functionality and the format isn't the most optimal if the JSON is to be built outside of the app. For instance there is a repetition: host / gateway, or if you want to set the encryption key, both encryptionKey and generated: rcloneDerivedKey must be provided. If there is a need we could certainly simplify the format, so things gets smartly derived if not present. (edited)
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Cool, if you have some thoughts about that I am more than happy to hear it out. In principle import functionality was designed to supplement current export functionality and the format isn't the most optimal if the JSON is to be built outside of the app. For instance there is a repetition: host / gateway, or if you want to set the encryption key, both encryptionKey and generated: rcloneDerivedKey must be provided. If there is a need we could certainly simplify the format, so things gets smartly derived if not present. (edited)
so right now the best way to do this is to generate the json by exporting from the app and send it out to be imported? It certainly could be easier to build them outside of the app. If encrypting the files, what would you recommend using to decrypt the files? There will be non-technical people handling this so I'm not sure adding another app will be easier
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so right now the best way to do this is to generate the json by exporting from the app and send it out to be imported? It certainly could be easier to build them outside of the app. If encrypting the files, what would you recommend using to decrypt the files? There will be non-technical people handling this so I'm not sure adding another app will be easier
Hi @Jin, If you don't need encryption to be enabled by default, generating JSON by hand is rather easy. If you need encryption, then you can either instruct your users to set up some password (possible preshared if you want data from all users to be readable with a single key) after they import profile or please wait ~two weeks (we're busy at the moment with transfer tab fixes and iOS background uploads) and we will be able to improve the JSON, so only encryptionKey field is required to setup the encryption. Speaking of decryption, it's an open format. Naturally you can use S3Drive (on any platform) to access encrypted data (you'll need to access bucket with data and setup E2E with the same password that was initially used for encryption). You can also mount data using as network drive (that's possible from S3Drive after clicking on tray icon). Alternatively you can access data using rclone command, as we're 1:1 compatible with their encryption: https://rclone.org/crypt/#file-encryption In that case please visit our docs to understand how you can set up rclone command: https://docs.s3drive.app/advanced/#setup-with-rclone Then you would be able to use commands like copy: https://rclone.org/commands/rclone_copy/ or sync: https://rclone.org/commands/rclone_sync/ or couple others depending on your needs. There are couple options out there. (edited)
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Hi, is this normal?
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Hi, is this normal?
Having a result of 2/68 is normal yes, there's always a few false positives due to the software being able to do "dangerous" things such as encrypt and transfer files, which is something done by ransomware for example.
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That detection in your screenshot is based on machine learning, not known signatures, so this is a model that says "hmm, I'm having low suspicions this could be problematic software" and that's all. They can analyze features but not intent, that's their main issue.
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Hi, is this normal?
Alternatively you can use Microsoft verified binaries: https://docs.s3drive.app/install/#microsoft-apps Most people prefer .exe, however some prefer certain guarantees of Microsoft Store
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